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85
Palestinians deserve the land. Israelis deserve the land.
Debate Score:145
Arguments:126
Total Votes:171
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 Palestinians deserve the land. (38)
 
 Israelis deserve the land. (81)

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Arab - Israeli Conflict Block 7/8

Who does the land belong to?

Palestinians deserve the land.

Side Score: 60
VS.

Israelis deserve the land.

Side Score: 85
5 points

Palestinians were there first. Palestinians have always owned the land but the United Nations just gave it to the Jews and the Palestinians had no where to go. The Palestinians also have a real great grievance: their homeland for over a thousand years and it was just taken away from them.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Clarified
2 points

How do you know they were there first were's the evidence? The Jews also claim to have been there first. So what makes you so sure.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
MixedBeat(1) Clarified
1 point

What is your evidence to support your claim that the Palestinians were there first.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

It says in the bible that the Jewish people were there first

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

The Bible explains and including history of their presence being there since 3000 B.C. with their culture, coins, bones, pottery, city's, etc...

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

The Bible explains and including history of their presence being there since 3000 B.C. with their culture, coins, bones, pottery, city's, etc...

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
MixedBeat(1) Disputed
1 point

Technically, the Israelis were there first, as stated in the bible when Moses led the Israelis out of Egypt after he bested the Pharaoh. This occurred way before the Palestinians were there.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

Mrs.Swanson just said that the Jewish people were there first

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19bschumache(11) Disputed
1 point

Actually the Jews were there first because Hitler drove them out and then the Arabs took over the country. Also in their Bible Abraham, which is pretty much the Muslims god, says that the Israelis deserve the land and it is theirs.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19ethao Disputed
1 point

The Jewish people were the first to arrive in the land of Israel not the Palestinians.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

This is true it has been Palestine's land since 1000 B.C.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
3 points

I think that the Palestinians deserve the land because they had Palestine first, for over a thousand years it has been their home and then it was taken away from them by force and without consent.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

Mrs.Swanson just said that the Jewish people were there first

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19chunstiger(1) Clarified
2 points

Ms Swanson is a Credible source. She has a Cycology minor, A language arts Major and she has her masters.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.

I agree the U.N had just gave the land to the Israelites and made the Palestinians go the refugee camps.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19bschumache(11) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis won the land in two wars and won them both fairly.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
3 points

I believe that the Palestinians deserve the land. I believe this because they were there first. It was Palestinians home land for many many years and then the united Nations just gave the land to the Jews who did nothing deserving this land. The Palestinians had no where to go and it was unfair the the Jews got the land.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19asteidl(6) Disputed
1 point

According to the Israeli's holy Bible, the Jews were there first.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

It has been proven that Israelis were there first. Also, what makes the Palestinians deserve the land? The Jews had nowhere to go either, so it is a weak argument to say that the Palestinians had no where to go.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Clarified
1 point

Where is the evidence to support this claim? The Jews say they were first too.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
2 points

I think that the Palestinians deserve the land because they were there first, Palestine was their home for over a thousand years, and then it was taken from them by force and without consent.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kmitala Disputed
1 point

The Israelis were there for as far as the records show and they worked hard once they got there to make the land just how the bible wanted. If the land were to go to the Palestinians then they would have done all of that work for nothing.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
2 points

After the Serfs (Jews) took Palestine, they treated the Arads with hostility and cruelty, deprived them of their rights, and offended them without a reason.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
2 points

The land is very important to the Muslim faith. The city of Jerusalem is especially important to there faith and why should the jews get it instead? Jerusalem is the source of 3 major religions: Judaism, Muslim, and Christianity. Its not fair that Jews get the land rather than Muslim.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19bschumache(11) Disputed
1 point

Jerusalem is a Jewish city that the Jews founded so it is clear that the counrty is the Jews.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The land is never mentioned in the Koran, where as it is the Holy Land in the bible.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
2 points

Palestine was and still is important to the Muslim Arabs, they had practiced their own religion there for many years. There is 3 major religions in Israel and Muslim Arab is one of the biggest.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Palestinians have practiced their religion there, so what? People have practiced their religion in many places all over the world. Christianity is a well practiced religion in Rome. Does this mean that Rome belongs to Christians only?

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19chunstiger(1) Disputed
1 point

Lets see, does it make sense that the Arabs get the land with a jewish city in it?

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
2 points

Israelites tricked Palestine by taking 35% more land than was promised so then they lied to Palestine over promised land.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

Israelis took the land in a Palestinian provoked war. They didn't trick them into giving up the land. They earned it fair and square.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

Israel had presence there since 3000 B.C and evidence from the Bible.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
2 points

The Palestinians did more to deserve the land. The Jews did nothing to deserve the land, the U.N just gave the land to them. Palestinians owned the land longer and practiced their religion so they reserved the land.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

What did the Palestinians do that the Jews didn't? Also, practicing the religion there means nothing. You can practice religion anywhere, it doesn't make the land holy or anything.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
President Disputed
1 point

The land was holy to their religion and the ancestors the Canaanites when took the land in 1000 B.C.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kmitala Disputed
1 point

Actually the young pioneers came to Palestine and worked on the hard soil until it became the exact land that the Koran said it should be. They wanted the land to be exactly like the Koran said it should be so they worked very hard on it.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
MixedBeat(1) Disputed
1 point

As I disputed against you earlier, God gave the land to the Israelis as a portion of their inheritance from Jesus and the Holy Father.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19whinz(12) Disputed
1 point

According to both the Bible and the Koran that it was given to the Jews.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
2 points

The Israelis promised a state to the Palestinians and then later it was raided and stolen by the Israelis, thus putting the Palestinians in refugee camps. In this deep struggle to get their land back.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

The deal made between the Israelis, UN to the Palestinians about granting a state to them. Later the deal was broken and taken over by the Israelis.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19jschiessl Disputed
0 points

The only reason that the Palatinates were able to live there was because Hitler came in and made the Israelis leave. Hitler either made the Israelis leave or he was going to kill all of the Jews. Hitler started the fight and thats the reason why they are fighting today. If the Palestinians didn't be so mean and cruel then they wouldn't be fight for the land.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
2 points

Some may say the Israelis deserve the land because of their religion and they were promised the land. But Jerusalem is important to Muslim religon too. Its not fair that the Israelis get the land especially since that is the only reason for getting the land other than the fact the United Nations just gave the land to them.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

Israelites promised 56% land for Palestinians, 42% for themselves and 2% for Jerusalem and its surrounds. After time the israelites took over 77% of the given land.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19jradtke(6) Disputed
1 point

The Israelites took the land after the Palestinians and other Middle Eastern countries declared war on them. The Israelites successful defended there homeland in this war and as a result they took land from there enemies the Palestinians.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis have taken more of the land because they were attacked by the Palestinian people and Egypt. You can't hardly blame them for attacking when the Palestinians attacked first.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Canaanites, Palestine's ancestors, had the land of Jerusalem and Israel in 1000 B.C. Afterward they we're raided by the Israelis in war and we're driven out of the land of Jerusalem.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
MixedBeat(1) Disputed
1 point

Not necessarily. Moses brought in the Israelis BEFORE the Palestinians were there, therefore making your point, Inaccurate.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19jschiessl Disputed
0 points

The Israelis were there for 3000 years before and all the evidence shows that the pottery and the bones were the Israelis. Also according to the bible the Israelis were also there before anyone else.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I think the the Palestinians deserve the land because Jerusalem is very important to Muslim faith. It may be important to the Jews faith too but it wouldnt be fair if the Jews just got the land especially think they just got the land handed over to the by the united nations.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

Jerusalem was part of the old Israel and should still be.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

But it was just as important and probably even more important to the Palestinians more than the Jews

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kmitala Disputed
1 point

The land is also important to the Israelis. They worked hard for the land and made it just like the Koran said it should be. Palestine was never mentioned in the Koran. They're trying to fulfill their religious book. Also they say and believe that God promised the land to Abraham. God gave the Jews Israel. I believe their religion should be respected and that the deserve the land because of their religious rights.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

The Muslim Arabs and the Jews both have different bibles so it could have been mentioned in the other Bible

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

The Palestinians deserve it more because almost all of the Jews left Palestine and when the Muslim Arabs took over, they never left Palestine in big numbers like the Jews

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

The Jews still held their presence and few stayed behind, also Palestine is only a settlement and was never a country. The Palestinians used to be in Turkey as well.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Since Israel took the land the palestinians had no where to go. They were forced to go to refugee camps. Now they don't even have any land and the Jews do even though they don't deserve it. I think the Palestinians should at least get some land.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19jradtke(6) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis I believe do deserve it for they fought in many wars to defend it. Land was given to the Palestine but they made the decision to attack the Israelis so as a result the Israelis took land from the Palestinians.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis had coins, pottery, city's, and their culture left in the area + Hitler killed the Jews. The land was given to them in the Bible.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

A land belongs to people who were born on it, live on it, grow on it, and raise their children on it. Not foreigners who show up with foreign money, weapons and mercenaries and take it by force.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Clarified
1 point

Fair, but the Jews were there first. They grew in the land, but were forced out by discriminators, fearing for their safety.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

Everyone is saying that the Jews deserve the land based on religion, but just saying that they deserve it based on religion doesn't provide good evidence.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

They also had their presence their of city's, culture, pottery, money, ect... Since 3000 B.C.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

So did the Palestinians, they had Palestine in 1000 b.c. and then the Jews came. the Muslim Arabs had their own city's, pottery, money , every country has their own culture.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

Also the Bible is also true and a very credible source.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

Hitler persecuted/killed the Jews and many of them died.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19kmitala Disputed
0 points

They should also have a right and have respect against their religion. How would you feel if someone told you your beliefs were wrong and that your religion was wrong?

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I think that the land should go to the Israelis because the land was given to them by the UN

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

They also need somewhere to go after getting chased out by Hitler. They only left the land to save there lives

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19chohnberge(14) Disputed
1 point

So the Palestinians lived there. Once the Jews came back the United Nations gave the land to Israelite and they kicked the Palestinians out into refugee camps.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

The United Nations recognizes Israel as a potential member. The votes were 138-9, voting to let them be non member observers.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

The UN gave Israel to the Jews after the Palestinians had Palestine for a long time, over a thousand years. This was after many years of wars.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
19chohnberge(14) Disputed
1 point

I disagree the land should go to the Palestinians because the U.N gave the land to the Israelis and they kicked the Palestinians out

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

I think that Israelis deserve the land because they were their first place 1700 years ago. It was not their fault they had to leave.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
President Disputed
1 point

Whose fault? These Israelis never left. They fought for the land with the Palestinians and kicked them out into refugee camps.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

The land should go to the Israelis. The land should go to them because the UN granted them the land. After World War 2, the United Nations chose to relocate the Jews, the land was given , so it is theirs.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19chohnberge(14) Disputed
1 point

But the Palestinians were there first it was their homeland for a thousand years and the UN. The Palestinians had no where else to go. How would you feel if your homeland was taken away?

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Clarified
1 point

How do you know they were there first, the Israelis also claim to have been there first.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

I think that the Israelis should live in Israel because of how powerful they are compared to the Palestinians. They can support themselves better.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I think that the Israelis should live is Israel because of how powerful they are compared to the Palestinians.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19albarlow(18) Disputed
1 point

Just because the Israelis are more powerful doesn't mean they don't deserve the land. Besides, the Palestinians fought and won many wars to keep their land for thousands of years. And if the Israelis are powerful how come they didn't get the land back on there own instead of just having the United Nations hand the land over to them.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

They Israelis won many wars for the land, just because someone put them their in the first place doesn't mean they couldn't support themselves. It just means that other peopl thought it would be a good place for them.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19whinz(12) Disputed
1 point

We are saying that they do because they won both of the wars. What wars did they win? They only took the land they needed and they had full support form the UN.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

First off, its the Biblical belief. As provided in the Bible, God gave Abraham the land. "The Bible says, 'The Lord said to Abraham, 'lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, southward, eastward, westward: for all the land which you see, to you I will give it." "Hebron is in the west bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, 'I am giving you this land.'" The Evidence is provided from www.aish.com

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I think that the Israelis should deserve the land. The Israelis were there first. According to www.aish.com, the Israelis were there first. All of the evidence that they dig up, the pottery, the coins, and the people. It all shows the Israelis were there 3000 years before anyone else was there. The Israelis were there there first therefore they deserve the land.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The Israelis deserve the land because they worked hard for it. For as far back as the records show the Jewish people occupied the land. They settled there and worked hard to make it just like the bible said it should be. The thousands of young pioneers came and worked on the hard soil until it became the land the bible said it should be.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I believe that the Israelis deserve the land because they are very powerful compared to the Palestinians. They occupied the land and the U.S. supported them. They also successfully defended their land.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I believe that the land belongs to Jews because God choose the land that belongs to the Jews. It talks about it in the old testimate how God swore the land to Abraham. God promised the land to Abraham. God gave the Jews Israel!

Side: Israelis deserve the land.

They won 2 wars and earned it fairly. They sacrificed their own men and equipment in the wars and won them both.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

They also had the support of the UN and with that had the help from many country's. They deserve all the land they earn because they had training to make sure no one will treat the Jews like that again like the Nazis.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

This is true, Israel has stronger military and are better trained.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Israelis obviously have been successful in maintaining and defending their land a feat the Palestinians could not achieve.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The Jewish also had to fight to keep the land so technology they had to pay some what to keep the land by having to fight 2 wars

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Jerusalem has been important to the Jews for a LONG time. It is biblical holy land. Palestine is never mentioned in the Koran, so why is that an argument for the Palestinians?

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The land first belonged to the Jews. What if you left your house to go to on vacation and someone goes into your house, and they say that its their house. Would that be fair? Picture you leaving your house/land and than someone comes to it and claims that its theirs. The land belongs to the Jews

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

On top of that, say you didn't leave, you were FORCED out, and someone takes your house and claims it theirs. How would YOU feel?

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Israel was there first! "Israels had a presence 3000 years. The coins, the city, the pottery, the culture." Next the Palestinians used to be in Turkey and Palestine was a settlement and never a country. "The Romans conquered the land. Israel had no homeland, although Jews were aloud to live there."

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I believe Israel has the right to the land because there is archeological evidence that shows that the israelis were present in Israel 3,000 years before the palestinians were living there. Archeologists have recovered pots, coins, pottery and more to support this case.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I believe that the Jews deserve the land because the land was granted to them. The U.N. and the U.S. gave land in Palestine to Israel and the international community granted the Jewish people the land in 1948. There were many wars that the Jews won and therefore defended the land.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

The UN gave Israel to the Jews after many years of war between the Palestinians and the Jews, many people believe that the Jews deserve Israel.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
cvancuyk(4) Clarified
1 point

This hurts your argument. The UN gave Israel to the Jews, and many people believe that Palestine should be the Jews. So how does this help you?

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

The U.N. or United Nations (which many nations are a part of) Supported Israel and gave them land. (The Majority supported Israel in the U.N.)

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I also believe that the Israelis were there first because in the Bible it says that God gave Abraham the land of Israel. Jerusalem was where the Israelis were and they were there before anyone that came to Israel. It states that when Abraham got to Israel that no one was there and they could start at big country full of Israelis not Palatines.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

I believe that the Jews deserve the land because they have very strong beliefs. God granted the land to Abraham, the father the Jewish nation, therefore god gave the land to the Jews. Palestine was never mentioned in the Koran, unlike Israel.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Also there is biblical evidence that shows that God gave the israelites the land. According to the scriptures, God gave Abraham the land who then gave it to the israelites. Abraham is also based in the muslim scriptures, so they can't go against their own religion.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

There are many reason why the Israelis deserve there land. The first I want to mention is the fact that in many Bible verses God promised the Jewish people the land that is Israel. Another reason is that Israel is the only strong allied of the United State in the region. They put a roadblock on terrorism without them there terrorism would be able to spread rapidly. The Israelis are also the only true strong democracy in the Middle East. Also proving their alliance is the fact that they have voted with the U.S.A more times then every other nation in the world. History has shown that Israel will not prosper without the Jewish people for the land has been worthless in till the Israelis stacked their claim.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19albarlow(18) Disputed
1 point

Israel may be one of the strongest democracies in the middle east, but that doesn't mean that the palestinians wouldnt have a strong government. They might even have a stronger government than Israel, but we would never know because the Palestinians don't even have a home land because the United Nations just gave it to Israel.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

Israel helps prevent the terrorism in the area. Also Israel serves as a strategic ally to the U.S.A.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The territory was captured in defensive wars. Even after the land was given to them, they successfully defended the land by winning several wars against enemies

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19albarlow(18) Disputed
1 point

the Palestinians had to defend their land for many years too, and they did it successfully until the United Nations unfairly gave the Jews the land.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.

Abraham the Muslims religious leader says that the Israelis deserve the land and it should be their land.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The territory was captured in defense wars. Even after the land was given to them and they successfully defended the land by winning several wars for example 1948-1949 Arab-Israeli war. God also promised the land to Abraham god gave the Gews Israel. God made Israel possible to show the people of the Arab peninsular the standard of living and world influences they could have with hard work and good politicians.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The Jews have strong beliefs like that God promised them land- Israel. Since God promised the land to the Israelis, they deserve it.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

The last reason the Israelies should get the land is because they earned it in war. twice they kicked most of the Palestinians out of their home. Also even when the Palestinians were in control of the land, there were always jews that stayed in their home and fought for the right to it.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

Yes they did get the land from the UN but they had to fight two wars to keep the land.... so they had so sacrifice the stuff they had to protect there land.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

So did the Palestinians, they had to leave everything because the Jews kicked them out of their homeland.

Side: Palestinians deserve the land.
1 point

Archaeological digs do nothing but support that the Israelis were in Israel first.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.

If the Israelis where doing something so bad why would all of the united nations side with them?

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
1 point

God had Abraham give/lead them to Israel and it is a sacred place to them. I feel that it would be incredibly wrong to take take something so important from somebody just so someone else could have it.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.
0 points

The Israelis have religious reasons to keep the land. One of them is that Palestine was never mentioned in their religious book, the Koran. To the Israelis the Koran is right and if they have to give the land up to Palestine then that would be against the Koran and that would probably make them even more upset. How would you feel if you were told against your religion? Also they claim God promised the land to Abraham. God gave the Jews Israel. They believe this with their religion and I believe their religion should be respected.

Side: Israelis deserve the land.