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Land belongs to Palestine. Land belongs to Israel.
Debate Score:419
Arguments:117
Total Votes:717
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Arab - Israeli Conflict Between Block 3/4 & Block 7/8

Land belongs to Palestine.

Side Score: 341
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Land belongs to Israel.

Side Score: 78
6 points

It should belong to Palestine because the Israelis fled their homes and the Palestinians were able to move in because of this and they had never had their own country.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19ethao Disputed
1 point

God choose or gave the land to the Jewish people, not the Palestinians.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

They only left because Hitler was trying to kill them, and anybody the Palestine would had left there land to if they were going to get killed

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
6 points

I believe the land belongs to the Palestine because they always were there and never left the land. But the Israeli was there before and left and came back therefore the land should belong to the Palestinian because the land always belonged to them.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
6 points

I believe that the Palestinian have the right to the land because they did not leave in a large amount of numbers like the Israeli did. Also the land is a holy place of Muslims. The Jewish people forced the Palestinian to leave there homeland because they were on there homeland but in the time the Jewish people were gone the Palestinian made that land there homeland.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

The Jews always had their presence their of city's, pottery's, coins, culture, etc... Also the Jews were hunted down and killed by Hitler. Palestine was never a country but only a settlement.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
6 points

They left there homes thinking that they could come back but when they did everything was different and now they don't have a homeland and the Jews do... so the Palestinians should get the land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
6 points

The Palestinians should receive the land because it was the promised land to them from God. Plus the Israeli are trying to take the land by force by calling in airstrikes and destroying the city they are trying to take over.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The land was promised the the ISRAELIS by God, not the Palestinians. Also, it's not really fair to wage war against Israel and then complain when they destroy your cities.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
6 points

Jewish claim to the land is based only on religion. Saying God gave them the land does not provide good reason for Muslims.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
6 points

Palestine (Israel) is a holy place for Muslims as well. Throughout their history, this land has been important to the Muslims faith. ESPECIALLY the city of Jerusalem.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

yes it is holy for everyone there but if it was really holy for the Jews they would have never left.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
5 points

I think the Palestinians should have the land because they would keep God company and not leave the land ever so often. The Israelis left their land and weren't keeping covenant with God. They don't deserve it because they disrespected God. So that is why I think the Palestinians deserve the land.

Supporting Evidence: Does Israel belong to the Jews? (www.wnd.com)
Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

Does it? What is the purpose of war? Why am I asking these questions? I do not know, or do I?

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19lislinger(11) Clarified
1 point

Stay on topic... the last part... was WAY off topic............................

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis were forced out, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Also the Israelis would "keep God company" as well as the Palestinians, what evidence shows that Palestinians keep better company? Also, what makes you believe the Israelis broke their covenant with God? They didn't wrong God in any way.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

The Arab Muslims have always lived on the land never left in grate numbers like the Jews. and there is no time in history that the Palestinians have not lived there.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

The jews had the land first and the only reason why they left is because they got chased out by Hitler.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis were forced to leave, they didn't just choose to relocate their entire population. Also, the Bible says that the Israelis were in Palestine first, not the Palestinians.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

Lucas Long - Palestine should get the land because they had it first and they don't even have a homeland! Israel really doesn't deserve it because they have tons of homeland and saying "God gave it to us," isn't a very strong argument - Lucas Long

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19bschumache(11) Disputed
1 point

Actually Abraham said that they deserve the land and that is the Muslims "god" pretty much. And the Israelis actually are the ones without the land because they got it taken away from them by the Muslims when Hitler drove them out.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Bible actually says that the Israelis were there first. Also, the Israelis don't have another homeland either, so your argument is weak. Finally, this "God that gave it to us," is the God that created the world, he created you, your parents, everything. Yet, you question his ability to give people land?

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

Palestine should get the land because it was there's for thousands of years until it was forced to leave by Israel.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
MixedBeat(1) Disputed
1 point

Not technically true, as the UN gave the land to the Israelis to compensate for their suffering during the holocaust.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis had the land first, as shown in the Bible. It's not their fault they had to flee from the land for their lives.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19chunstiger(1) Disputed
1 point

Actually, the land was not theirs. There is archeological evidence that shows that Israel was present for 3,000 years before the Arabs. Also according to the PowerPoint MS. Swanson showed us, the land was Israel's first.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19ctwomey(11) Disputed
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19jdevalk(11) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with that because you cant just fight over the land that is theirs. because they didn't leave

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
5 points

I think Palestinians should have the land, one it was there home for thousand years. They might say that they had the land first but we can just say that they gave it to us. Another thing is that they r forcing them to go away they should make an agreement.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
5 points

I say that the land belongs to Palestine because, Israel bases most of their reasons off of their religion. Palestine doesn't need to give up the land if the Israelis left! they left giving it up and then later just flood back in using force? that's not right. The Israelis already have a lot of land, they don't need to take what little the Palestinians have. So again i say that the land belongs to the Palestinians.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
5 points

the land should go to the Palestine because it was theirs they took care of it when the Jews left

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
5 points

Israel already has lots of land so they should just end the war because 6,862 people have died for the Palestine and 1,109 have died for Israel so instead of having more people die for both sides they should end the war and let the Palestine have the land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
5 points

Palestinians have always been on that land alongside the Israelis. The Palestinians never left all at once like the Jews, who just abandoned there country. Instead they left in small groups so that there was always someone there.

When the U.N gave the Jews the land, The Palestinians left the country to avoid war, thinking that they could come back home, but they couldn't because the Israelis wouldn't allow them back in. I agree that the Jews were treated horribly during the holocaust, but that doesn't mean that they have to right to kick others out of there own homeland. The Palestinians were forced into refugee camps in other countries, because they had no place to go.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

The Israelis were forced out as well, and now the Palestinians are mad that they have finally been able to return safely.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19whinz(12) Disputed
1 point

The Israelite were forced out of Israel by the Romans. Israel was Turkish territory in till the British took it over in World War I. The British then promised the land to the Jews. When the UN voted to give land to the Jewish people they split it between Palestine and the Jews the Palestine then waged war on the Jews but were unsuccessful so then they had to go the refugee homes because obviously the Jews couldn't trust them to not wage another war on them. Written by Joe and Will.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

I believe the land should belong to the Palestine because the Israeli already own a homeland and the Palestine doesn't own there own homeland. with the Palestine getting the land they can now have there own homeland just like the Israeli.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19kmitala Disputed
1 point

All though this is true the Israel people worked hard on the land and made it exactly how they wanted it. They went to the land and made it exactly how the Koran said it should be. As far back as the records show, the Jewish people occupied the land, when they got there they made worked hard on it only to have all of their work taken away.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

The land should belong to Palestine because the Israelis left and when they returned they beat them brutally because they did nothing wrong. What kind of century do we live in!

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19asteidl(6) Disputed
1 point

What evidence do you have that says the Israelis beat the Palestinians? The Israelis deserve the land, so they rightfully kicked them out when they resisted.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

It all comes down to who really left in the first place. That would be the Israeli. When the Israeli left, the Palestine rightfully took over. The Israeli came back forcefully yet the Palestine were already there. Therefore, the Palestinians deserve the right to the land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

yes because the Israellights did leave first and the plastindes never expected them to comebacck

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19asteidl(6) Disputed
1 point

So, you do admit that the Israeli were there first. So they deserve the land because they were there first. I have evidence - The Jewish bible mentioned nothing about the Palestinians.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19bschumache(11) Disputed
1 point

When the Israelis came back they won two wars and earned it back by sacrificing their citizens and equipment.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
5 points

The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

They have had their presence their of city's, coins, pottery, culture, etc. Palestine was never a country only a settlement that used to be in Turkey.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
4 points

I think Palestine deserves the land because the Palestine claims article says that the Jews made the Palestinians leave their homes and flee to neighboring Arab countries when the Palestinians always lived on that land. Also Palestine is a holy place for Muslims too that land has always been important to Muslim faith. The Jews just took over.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
4 points

I strongly believe that that the Palestinians deserve the land over the Israelis. A reason I have for this is, Palestinians have always lives on the land or environment. One evidence is that,

Palestinians and the Jews have been there for same length of time but the Jews decided to leave and go somewhere else. So once the Jews left, the land was all to the Palestinians. So the land could of been the Jews but they left. If they would have stayed their maybe they would had have a chance to own the land. But it was their decision to leave. Source-Blue Sheet/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeil-Palestinian_conflict

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

yes and the Jews left and the Palestine didn't expect them to come back so they just moved in to the land but the Jews came back and forced Palestine in to con cation camps.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19jschiessl Disputed
1 point

The Israelis were there before the Palestinians. So they should get the land. The Only reason that the Palestinians got land there is because Hitler was going to kill of the Israelis.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
4 points

The Palestinians have lived there forever and when they traveled they did in small the groups but the Jewish people traveled in big groups so i think that they Palestinians should get the land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
cvancuyk(4) Disputed
1 point

First, the Palestinians have not been there FOREVER. Also, the Jewish people were forced out, they didn't have a choice, so is it really fair to punish them for it?

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
4 points

Palestinians were there before the Jewish. Also Palestinians have always owned the land but the United Nations gave it to the Jews. Even though the Palestinians dont have anywhere else to go. The Palestinians have been there for ever and its wrong to make them leave their home.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
4 points

I believe that Palestine deserves the land because it was their land in the first place, they've had the land the whole time. According to the Blue Sheet, there was no time in history when Palestine has not lived there. On the blue sheet, and I quote, "Palestinians should have their own country as well. Why do the Jews get a homeland on what is our land, and we have not homeland." What this means is that, the Jews can't just take their homeland that was rightfully theirs. They had it first and the Jews can't just come in and take it for themselves. The land rightfully belongs to the Palestinians, they didn't do anything, and the Jews just shouldn't be able to come back with force and take over the land. It was the Palestinians land in the first place and shouldn't be taken by anyone else. According to Wikipedia.org, the Palestinians have had the land since the beginning. The Jews had no right to come back forcefully. The land belongs to Palestine. Because of the Jews leaving, the Palestinians get the Land. The Jews just can't come back and take it. That's not fair. Let me give you an example: Say "Roy" and I find a chocolate bar. We decide to split it. But later on he leaves, comes back later and forcefully takes the chocolate. That's not fair! So that is why the Palestinians deserve and should get the land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19jnett(2) Disputed
1 point

Wikipedia is not a credible source anybody can edit that website

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19bschumache(11) Disputed
1 point

First off Wikipedia is not a good source and the capital of the country is Jerusalem which is a Jewish city so the Jews have actually been there first.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
4 points

They have never left in great numbers like the Jews did. Especially the city of Jerusalem is important to Muslim faith. Palestinians should have their own country as well as the Israelite. Why cant Palestine have their own land?

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19jschiessl Clarified
1 point

The Jews were still in Israel and had their presence the evidence shows the coins, the pottery, and the people. This was their home land were the Israelis were and the Palestines tried to take over.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

The Jews still had their presence their of the city's, coins, pottery, culture, etc... This was their homeland. Also Hitler did many things to them to deserve it more than the Palestinians. The Palestinians used to be in Turkey and they were only a settlement never a country.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
3 points

the palestinians should have the land because they were not forceing people out of the land

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

I believe the Palestinian should get the land because they never left the land and the land is a holy place for Muslims also a majority of Palestinian people are in refugee camps and can't fight back.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

I believe that Palestinians deserve the land because Palestine had the land for thousands of years and then it got taken by them unfairly. The United Nations just gave the land to the Jews who did nothing deserving of the land. On the other hand the Palestinians have fought to keep their land for thousands of years.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19asteidl(6) Disputed
1 point

Palestinians may have been there, but so were the Israelis. The Israels defended their land better, so they deserve it.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I think the land belongs to the Palestinians because the land is very important to the Muslims, it's where their religion was created and that means it's the most important country to the Muslim Arabs

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

Going back to 1000 B.C. The Canaanites ,Palestinians ancestors, were raided by the Israelites and were fled out of the country of Israel, years later most of the jews left and the Palestinians regained the land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
cvancuyk(4) Clarified
1 point

What evidence supports this idea? The Bible says that the Israelis were there first.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

That is very true. The proof for this statement is that you should go into the bible and look up psalm 105:8-11. Do this and see the proof.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
0 points

Then later they were raided by the Israelis and fled into refugee camps out side of Jerusalem.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19jschiessl Disputed
1 point

They didn't flee they were forced to because if they didn't leave Hitler would have killed all of the Jews.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
0 points

My username is president, but my real name is Ivan Rindfleisch.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

The Palestinians also should get the land because the Israelis left the land. If they truly wanted it they would not have left. And then the United Nations gave them back the land when if they truly wanted it they would have got it back on their own. Some people claim that the Israelis are stronger and thats why they deserve the land, but they obviously were not able to get the land back on there own so they are not necessarily stronger or more powerful

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

Many Palestinians ancestors were born there. They were called the Canaanites.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

The land belongs to Israel because the UN granted the land to them. After World War 2, the United Nations chose to relocate Jews, the land was given to them, so it's theirs.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

The Jewish people settled and developed the land. As far back as records show, the Jewish people occupied the land.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.

The Israelis didn't have a choice to leave. Hitler drove them out and then the Arabs took over the country.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19chohnberge(14) Disputed
1 point

Yes Israelis did leave, but then Palestinians took over the land. Once the Israelis came back they kicked the Palestinians back out. So the land should rightfully go to the Palestinians.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

Just because the Jewish were driven out by Hitler, doesn't mean that they have the right to come back and take the land from the Palestinians. The Jewish knew how it felt to be driven out of their country, they should have respect for the Palestinians, the country was empty when they came.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

According to the bible the Israelis were there first. The land was given to Abraham and they were going to start a city there. All of the evidence that they dig up was also supported that the Israelis were there, The pottery, the coins, the city, and the people. It was all evidence that the Israelis were there 3000 years before the Palestine's.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
President Disputed
0 points

The Canaanites had the land in 1000 B.C. They were Palestinians ancestors and had the land. They also controlled the land later when the Jews left the piece of land.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.

The Israelis deserve the land because they won it back in to wars and won them both.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19chohnberge(14) Disputed
1 point

They went into war because the United Nations gave the land to the Israelis and kicked the Palestinians out when they were living there.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

I believe Israel should be able to have the land because the land was theirs to begin with. The Israeli people went to the land and worked on it until it was exactly how the Koran wanted it. They went to the land, stayed there, and worked on it until it was "perfect" only to get all of their hard work taken away. Also the Israeli people stated, "the international community granted the Jewish people the land in 1948. United Nations including the U.S. gave land in Palestine to Israel." This evidence gives the Israeli people that the land should be considered Israels land.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

The Jewish were driven out by Hitler, and by the time the Palestinians got there it was empty, so they just took the country

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

The land belongs to the Jews because the U.S. supported them as they occupied the land and successfully defended the land.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

The Jews need the land more, because they were in a tough situation- The Holocaust- the Jewish people need a secure place for them to call home.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
President Disputed
1 point

The Holocaust is over. Plus the Palestinian ancestors, the Canaanites, the land in 1000 B.C.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

Palestine was only a settlement, not a country. They used to be in Turkey as well. Israel had their presence their of city's, pottery, coins, culture, etc.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19kwinius(1) Disputed
1 point

Hitler did bad things to the Jews and killed many of them.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

The Bible is also valid in this claim of Israel having the land. "The Bible says, 'The Lord said to Abraham, 'lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, southward, eastward, westward: for all the land which you see, to you I will give it." "Hebron is in the west bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, 'I am giving you this land.'"

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I think that the land belongs to the israelis because the UN gave it to them to compensate for their suffering during the holocaust.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
MixedBeat(1) Clarified
1 point

My username is Mixed Beat, but my real name is Max Treu. Just so you all know.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

I believe that the Jewish people deserve the land, because the Israelis were there first because of archaeological findings. According to the bible land was given to Abraham who was the leader the of the Jews.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I believe that the Jewish people deserve the land, because the Israelis were there first because of archaeological findings. According to the bible land was given to Abraham who was the leader the of the Jews. Joe and Will written together:)

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I believe that the land belongs to the Jews because, god promised the land to Abraham and Abraham is the father of the Jewish nation. Therefore the Jews should have the land not the Palestinians.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I believe that the land belongs to the Israelis because it was there land for thousands of years. The Jews were forced out of the land by Hitler. The Palestinains never really owned the land. It was always owned by the Jews. The U.N. offially gave the land to the Israelis and it is theirs.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19lhull Disputed
1 point

And you just said the U.N just officially gave it to the Israelis, so it never really belonged to the Jews either.

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
19chohnberge(14) Disputed
1 point

The Palestinians took over the land once Hitler drove the Jews out. Once the Israelis came back they drove the Palestinians back out and they had know where to go

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

Israel has the right to the land because there is archeological evidence that shows that the Israelis were present in Israel 3,000 years before the Palestinians were. Archeologists recovered coins, pottery and more that back up there findings.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

God gave the land to the Jews. It talks about it in the old testimate how God swore the land to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God promised the land to Abraham;God gave the Jews Israel.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I think that the land belongs to the Israeli because they are much more powerful than the Palestinians.

The US supports the Israelis, so they can support themselves. They also successfully defended their land, which makes them more than capable to rule.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
19albarlow(18) Disputed
1 point

Israelis are not really more powerful than the Palestinians, just because the United Nations supports them, doesn't make them better, the other Arab countries support Palestinians so the Palestinians may as well be able to support themselves too. Also the Palestinians never unsuccessfully defended themselves because the United Nations took the land from them and gave it to the Israelis. The Israelis never actually fought and won their land back so the Palestinians should have the land

Side: Land belongs to Palestine.
1 point

Israel serves the U.S. as a strategic ally. "They are our strategic ally. It is good to know we have a friend in the middle east." "The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is a group of terrorists." They serve as a roadblock to terrorism.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

The land belongs to the Israelis because they captured the land in a fair war, so it's now rightfully theirs. On top of that, the Israelis protected their land through many wars. It's not fair for the Palestinians to wage war, and then demand the land even after they lost it in a fair fight.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

Another reason the land should go to Israel is that they're following their religion by having this land. They are following their beliefs and making the land how their holy book, the Koran, said it should be. They worked on the hard soil until it became the exact land of the Koran. They also claim that Palestine is never mentioned in the Koran. If they were told differently, they would not be very happy. Imagine someone telling you that your religious beliefs were wrong. Another claim they made was, " God promised the land to Abraham. God gave the Jews Israel." Both of these claims have the same meaning, their holy book basically told them the land was theirs.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

Also There is biblical evidence that shows that the land was promised to the Israelites. According to their bible, God gave Abraham the land who then gave it to the Israelites. In the Muslim religion, Abraham is also a base in the scriptures. This means it makes no sense for the Arabs to have the land because they would be going against their scriptures

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

They Israelis won many wars for the land, just because someone put them their in the first place doesn't mean they couldn't support themselves. It just means that other people thought it would be a good place for them.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
0 points

Israelis were their first, "Israelis had a presence 3000 years. The coins, the city, the pottery, the culture." "The Romans concurred the land. Israel had no homeland, although the Jews were aloud to live there."

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
1 point

I agree because the things that they dig up in Israel shows that the Israelis were there First.

Side: Land belongs to Israel.
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